Watching Season Seven

[holdouttrout]

Why can't I hate Pete?

I mean, the almost-but-not-quite stalking *annoys* me, but I don't *hate* Pete for being curious.

And...they're just. so. cute. with the *guh* moments, and the teasing, and...

Argh!

*goes off to read the sam/jack list in an effort to remind herself that Pete, more than Sam/Daniel, is the Enemy*

Comments

[daisycm83.livejournal.com]

Pete isn't the enemy. BAD WRITING is the enemy. (Which is why I hate Kerry rather than Pete, though Pete has his moments of spectacularly badly written-ness.)

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

I really hate the idea of Kerry. It seems false that Jack just happens to have someone around that...well...I'm not going there. Really.

But I can't actually dislike Kerry herself. Really, all I know of her is 1) She has good taste in men. 2) She has beautiful curly hair that makes me jealous. 3) She's fairly intelligent. 4) She likes green.

Makes her a decent human being in my book.

(And yes, I'm being silly.)

[vickyocean.livejournal.com]

Kerry bugged me at how she just magically appeared. I think Jack's relationship with Kerry would have been much more effective if it had been built up over at least a couple of episodes like Sam and Pete's relationship was.

It also rather annoyed me that Kerry was at the SGC investigating events that happened under Jack's command and they hop into bed together. It seems really unprofessional and could be cause for some sort of investigation itself if someone higher up didn't like the outcome of Kerry's investigation.

Jack has always seemed really cautious with his relationships (except when there was drugged cake). Just look how long he held out with Laira pursuing him like mad. The whole suddenness of it and the working together thing made it seem very OOC. Not that I think Jack has lived as a monk pining away for Sam. It just wasn't written well IMO.

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

he whole suddenness of it and the working together thing made it seem very OOC. Not that I think Jack has lived as a monk pining away for Sam.

You said it better than I could. That is *exactly* why it bothers me.

(And no, I can't see Jack as a monk.)

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

According to the Sam/Jack list, Sam deserves to be tortured for cheating on Jack. Are you sure you want to listen to them?

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

Sarcasm is a beautiful thing, torture for doing the right thing is not. *frowns*

And what usually ends up happening when I go read the list is I feel much much better about my multishipping.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

*nods* That it is.

Honestly, it sometimes worries me that the majority of online fandom might think the S/J list thinks for all S/J shippers. I mean, hell, Jaka's still over there. *shudder*

Multi-shipping is totally much better.

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

I want a T-shirt of your icon. 'Cause it totally is.

We could always storm the S/J list. Post all the stories/meta/etc over there...but somehow I think we'd just get kicked off or something.

Besides, I like my lj corner. :-)

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

We've occasionally attempted a storming, or at least a sensible talking-to of the list. Anyone who is ok with Pete/doesn't think Sam is a whore/etc. is automatically told to shut up and stop flaming the annoying people.

My theory is that one of the list mods is fucking Jaka, and that's why so much crap gets on there.

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

Now I'm sensing a challenge. But no. I will not be evil and delude myself into thinking that you can make people see things differently when they just. freaking. don't. want. to.

Although...wouldn't it be funny to make an innocent little post about how much I love Pete and his humor, and the way he tries to draw Sam out into what he perceives as the real world, and how it is such a great story that Sam eventually just can't delude herself anymore and goes to the one person who can sort out the whole mess, (aka Jack)?

I mean, isn't that what 'Grace' to 'Threads' is all about? (in the secondary plot thread of Sam's personal life, which I'll argue does *not* invalidate her character.) It's about Sam trying to follow what she thinks is reasonable advice (albeit from a hallucination), and ending up needing to know the truth? Because, wow, I don't think I could move on, either, unless I knew that I was kidding myself about what I'd always held up as The Best Thing. And if you're still having lingering thoughts about someone else? Perhaps a sign that your not supposed to marry the person you're with, no matter how nice/funny/smart/considerate/etc he is.

And I'm sorry, but I don't see Sam as manipulative or bitchy, because she was honestly trying to do what she thought was the right thing.

(Okay, wow. I didn't know I had such Sam/Jack meta in me. I apologize for this comment getting slightly out of hand. You are spared more (yes, I have more), because I have to run.)

[caladria.livejournal.com]

Just remember. He doesn't like Singin' In The Rain. It was doomed from that moment on.

Apart from that one slip up he must have been a pretty good boyfriend, what with the (presumably) being stood up all the time because Sam had to save the galaxy, and switching his entire life around to fit in with her, and coping with not hearing from her and her coming home shot to bits, and knowing that she could talk to the people that she worked with and not him. And saving Teal'c from murder charges.

But if you want to dislike him more, ignore the paragraph above and compare him to a labrador puppy (Sweet. Cute. Puppy-dog eyes that beg to have his tummy tickled. Adores owner girlfriend and is devoted to her).

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

Just remember. He doesn't like Singin' In The Rain. It was doomed from that moment on.

That was, indeed, a heinous crime.

Okay. Now, after reading that, I dislike Pete-bashing even more. (Although he is rather like a puppy...but in a way, that's cute. And we really didn't see enough of him to get the whole picture, either.)

[caladria.livejournal.com]

Pete was, on paper, perfect for her. He ran round in circles to make her happy, from what we saw. And it still wasn't enough (therefore giving the Sam/Jack more validation because when perfect wasn't enough she realised why.) *ahem* I mean, from what we saw I'd assume that the relationship was decidedly lop-sided, with Pete being completely head-over-heels in love and Sam loving him because she thought that she should, and he was nice, and sweet, and funny, and made her laugh, and they had a good time together, and if it wasn't quite what she'd always thought she'd feel, then she was just a kid back then and no one gets that, right?...which is why it was ultimately doomed to failure. Even if it was oh-so-close.

Besides, that makes better fic than Pete coming home every night and beating Sam to a pulp before he crazily follows her around, giggling like a high James Bond villain and plotting the demise of the rest of SG-1 with the help of his police friends...

It just makes more sense if the whole mess was no one's and everyone's fault all at once (because then, of course, we get angsty itsallgonewrong!fic).

And I had a point, somewhere, but I seem to be preoccupied with fic... *g*

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

Besides, that makes better fic than Pete coming home every night and beating Sam to a pulp before he crazily follows her around, giggling like a high James Bond villain and plotting the demise of the rest of SG-1 with the help of his police friends...


You mean...that's not canon?

*is shocked*

Like Sam would let herself get beaten anyway. First time he tried anything...(and it's Pete, he wouldn't), she'd deck him so fast he wouldn't remember anything about the Stargate program.

[caladria.livejournal.com]

You mean...that's not canon?

Apparently not! I was surprised, the first time I watched Chimera, 'cos I'd got my spoilers off GW... Pete was so... in possession of his faculties.

I feel kind of cheated out of an even more crazy Jonas Hanson (because of course, he beat her too - that poor girl just doesn't learn)

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

I feel kind of cheated out of an even more crazy Jonas Hanson

...he thought he was a *god.* That's pretty crazy.

Seriously, though, I think Jonas just sort of snapped, and had been slightly controlling, OCD-type before that.

[caladria.livejournal.com]

...he thought he was a *god.* That's pretty crazy.

I was expecting crazier... I kid you not.

And yeah, I could see Jonas being subtly domineering and controlling without necessarily being psychotic about it and then being treated like a god just...

[splash-the-cat.livejournal.com]

Because you are a rational human being who doesn't tie her emotional happiness to a fictional pair of characters?

[rowan-d.livejournal.com]

Ummm..yeah. What Splash said.:)

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

Point.

[abyssinia4077.livejournal.com]

Because Pete wasn't so bad? Because he was ernest and a little endearing and he made Sam smile and hum and be happy for a while and you like seeing your character gets that happiness? Because it didn't last anyway, so it didn't ultimately actually prevent your ship from being possible?

Because you are a rational person rather than one of the crazy S/J shippers from the jungle tour of linnet_101's multishipping tour?

[rowan-d.livejournal.com]

**pokes**

We could use you over on duckwine.*g*

**pokes**

[abyssinia4077.livejournal.com]

:)
how about, I promise if I ever write them, I'll post over there?
I do have to admit my Pete-related plotbunnies currently number zero. I just mostly liked him onscreen.

[rowan-d.livejournal.com]

Hee.:) Quite cool. We're actually a Very Low Traffic group, it's really more of a place to collect a Master List of Pete fics and just have SOME sort of pre-established accepting audience for the occasion moments the members do write Sam/Pete-ish fic. Since the lovely Humworthy site went down, there really isn't ANYwhere for Sam/Pete out there. I think Sam/Thor might get more traffic.:)

But I was determined not to let this 'ship die!!!!:D

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

Yes, to all.

But especially he made Sam smile and hum and be happy for a while

[rowan-d.livejournal.com]

You know how I feel. And, of course, I see nothing wrong with any of your current inclincations, and a whole lot right about them.:)

As much as I get accused of not being, I am a Sam/Jack 'shipper to my very core. I don't think I've honestly ever written a fic, no matter what pairing, that wasn't a Sam/Jack piece on some level if you look hard enough. And I LOVE Sam/Pete. It's fabulous. So there.:)

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

I like exploring other options, but I'm a Sam/Jack girl, deep down.

Sam/Pete is so...so...normal! Well, except for the stalking bit, but even that's not unjustifiable to me. And the cuteness just *seeps* from the television. I have to admit that when I'm watching Pete, I really like him. I almost root for him.

...

Almost.

;-)

I really need a good Pete-icon:

[karma-aster.livejournal.com]

"This seat taken?"

Sam looked up from her novel and blinked. "Pete? I didn't even know you were in town!"

He grinned and shrugged, taking the seat across from her. "Believe it or not, I'm working on a case and just happened to need a coffee."

Sam smiled. "Me too."

"So, how are you?" Pete swallowed and almost hesitantly reached out to touch her hand. "You look...wonderful."

"Thank you." Her smile became even more gentle as she studied him. "So do you." Her hand shifted, surrounding his and squeezing it affectionately.

"What are you up to these days?"

"Oh, the usual," Sam replied, giving him a significant look. "I moved to Nevada for a while. R and D."

"You left Cheyenne Mountain?"

"I had my reasons." Her expression suddenly became unexpectedly peaceful. "It was a good choice."

Pete eyed her wistfully. "How's General O'Neill?"

"Pete-"

"No." He covered thier joined hands with his free one. "Sam, you look happy. It's wonderful to see."

Sam bit at her lower lip, staring down at thier hands. "You're a good person, you know that?"

He smiled at her, his eyes warm. "I'm just glad to see you happy."

"I am happy," she whispered, smiling back at him. "Thank you."

Re: I really need a good Pete-icon:

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

Awwwww...

I really would have liked Pete more if they'd done more with him. Alas, 'twas not to be.

Pete eyed her wistfully. "How's General O'Neill?"

"Pete-"

"No." He covered thier joined hands with his free one. "Sam, you look happy. It's wonderful to see."

I keep thinking about Jack and Sam in 7/8...there are just so many cute interpersonal (not necessarily shippy, either) moments that if you choose to see them as shippy, make it easy to see why Pete would know about them.

Like...the phone calls. And the significant glances. And the billion times Sam would bring him up and the look she'd get in her eyes, sometimes. You just know there was a whole slew of clues we didn't get to see.

[vickyocean.livejournal.com]

I never got the crazy Pete hate either. I think exploring a relationship with someone outside of the SGC was very healthy for Sam. She really needed to see for herself whether Jack was 'it' or whether she was just fixating because he was always there for her. Pete made their relationship very easy for her and all she had to do was kinda drift along. She really didn't have to work at it. I think after a while she realized that probably wasn't a great thing if you were going to marry someone and being tugged along in Pete's wake wasn't very satisfying.

I will Pete seriously went down in my estimation when he bought a house without even consulting herr. Really what kind of person buys a house without his finance has never seen before. Maybe Sam had changed her mind about yellow kitchens. At the same time I can't blame him to terribly because Sam left so much of there life together totally in his hands.

On a personal note, I couldn't have dated Pete for very long. He was a bit smothering and would have driven me nuts within a couple of dates. Clingy just isn't my type.

I also find it immensely amusing that Jack and Pete never really shared a scene together.